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1 - Dear Sir, time after time, your country & your government is allowing such evil acts to be carried out on children, most of them have not even had a fair trial in order to justify these horrible condemnations! Please have mercy on the other children who are imprisoned in your country's jails, awaiting the same fate of the innocents who have gone before them. This is murder in the eyes of God, murder of his children! (Comment this)

2 - Unbelievable and tragic. (Comment this)

3 - More blood on the hands of this disgusting regime. (Comment this)

4 - I by no means support the execution of children. They lack the means to understand what they have done and its consequences before the act was committed. This is a fine line of respecting a religions rights and the protection of children. In muslim nations the saying goes, EnchAllah, Gods Will. I could never believe that it would be the will of Allah, Buddha, or any other god to kill his children, but remember your rights here are protected by the same right they have, to live as they believe is right. I have been deployed twice to muslim nations and feel that as an American, it is not only my responsibility to protect the rights of Americans (which regularly abuse them), but also the rights of ruling nations that have the backing of the majority of their citizens. As they support their nations Islamic rules, they support the governments rights to execute children. If you don't think so, tell your local politician that you support the soldiers of America to overthrow these nations and support them with your tax funding, but I am guessing you don't support the current military stance and this post will never be posted. But thanks for getting this far before delelting. (Comment this)

5 - Doesn't the Baluchistan region also cross over the border into Pakistan? If so then the residents of Baluchistan on the Pakistan side might take notice, especially with this latest execution of a minor. (Comment this)

6 - Not for nothing, but how can you write a report like this without any sort of information regarding any other possible angles. you pointedly detail the death of this young man but you do not even attempt to mention what they think he may have done to even warrant the attention of the government. You say that he was "accused of affiliation with a Baluch political group" but you neglect to clarify what that means. There do exist evil people in the world and some of them deserve to be executed. the fact that he was 17 does not erase any evil deeds that he may or may not have done. if he was 5 or 6 you may have a valid point - irregardless of the facts however at 17 he is quite capable of making life altering decisions on his own.

that being said, with a little more information from you it may be possible to determine that he was "murdered" for no reason; however, your attempt to harvest signiatures and sympathy with only a one sided and unsubstantiated opinion smells of propaganda.

I also find your use of the term "child" to describe a 17 year old man erroneous and misleading as well.

-LYS (Comment this)

7 - It is a crying shame that the United States gov't and the U.N. allow these terrible crimes against humanity to continue. The trouble is that the ruling mullahs of Iran are smarter than they look. Unlike Saddam, they are giving away the oil real cheap and as long as Bush and Cheney's pockets are getting filled, they care not what happens to the good people of Iran. It's now up the people themselves to get rid of the mullah tyrants and it's hard when you live under a dictatorship. the Shah's gov't was a constitutional monarchy. the Shah peacefully left when his people betrayed him and turned their backs on him. Eventhough now the majority regret it, it's not gonna be easy to rid themselves of these blood thirsty murderers.

-Mahan (Comment this)

8 - LYS,

I feel sorry for you. You are so misguided that it isn't even amusing. I suggest you breathe out the evil, and breathe in the good. The only crime here is a government torturing and killing a 17 yr old for being a member of a political group. I don't know where you live, but imagine if you were tortured and executed for belonging in whatever hate group you belong to.

Your mentality sickens me.

-Mahan (Comment this)

9 - My dear misguided and uninformed LYS,

Again, I don't know nor do I care to know which rock you just crawled out of, but in the real world (and by international laws governing civilized people) a 17 year old is a minor, meaning he is under 18 and thus a child. Not a full grown adult. You apparently have access to the internet, why don't you educate yourself before embarressing yourself? Or perhaps in a language you might understand better: CHECK YO'SELF BEFO' YOU WRECKIDDY WRECK YO'SELF, FOOOOO...

-Mahan

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10 - Tim:
Would it be fair to say then that you would have supported the "right" of Adolph Hilter's regime to execute 6 million Jews and another 5 million physically and mentally handicapped because it was the will of the people and "the rights of ruling nations that have the backing of the majority of their citizens?"

Yitzchak:
His crime was that he was affilialated with a political group that seeks freedom and democracy which the Islamic Republic of Iran does not allow. Regardless, his crime is irrelevant. He is referred to as a "child" because he is a minor. Have you ever had a 17 year old son? This issue is addressed here:

http://stopchildexecutions.com/


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11 - Yitzchak:
Also see:

http://scenews.blog.com/1787325/ (Comment this)

12 - Dear Lys,

You can find more information about Saeed's case by clicking on his name in the post, which will take you to this page:
http://scenews.blog.com/Saeed+Kamberzai/

According to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, the legal definition of a child is any person under 18 years of age, which is the definition we follow.

Kristian Hvesser
Stop Child Execution campaign (Comment this)

13 - yitzchak909,

Hey LYS,
perhaps you would of been happy to put the rope around Saeed's neck yourself or stand idly by and applaud as he slowly choked to death!!

Tell me what's propagandic about trying to save lives?! Who are you to determine who should live and who should die?!! (Comment this)

14 - you all talk about my "hatred" while slandering me in this forum. haha. All i said is that there is no way to tell if the punishment fit the crime or not from this article. whether or not he was tortured i specifically left out of my last post because the report is based solely on hearsay. of course, torture is wrong regardless of the crime. that being said, the fact that everyone is so caught up on his age is still disturbing to me. You people must live in nice expensive gated communities somewhere to not have any real-world experiance with criminals. I routienly get fired upon by 14 and 15 year old "Children" in the course of my life (i am a policeman) and i can assure you that there do exist people out there that deserve what they get.

also, i, myself, stated that IF YOU SIMPLY HADN"T POSTED SUCH A ONE-SIDED ARTICLE i could have agreed with you forthwith... however, because of your deliberate exclusion of most of the facts of the case there is no way to tell.

You are looking for signiatures; the least you could do is provide enough information for your visitors without them having to go do their own research to validate the point that YOU are trying to make. or are you new at this?

i really tried to be as diplomatic as possible in my previous post and i was attacked and slandered for it. i suggest that you all take a valium and realize that occasionally someone will not agree with you. also, take note that i still have managed not to attack anyone personally. it is the article i don't agree with. Let us all try to keep it cival, shall we? (Comment this)

15 - Yitzchak, I think there is just a difference of opinion on whether capital punishment is appropriate for children. Most of us here say "no" regardless of the crime and there are a number of reasons for that. That is the reason, for most of us, the factual background is not as important as the fact that he is a minor.

Having said that, as Kristian noted, the article did contain a link that provided quite a bit of information about the case itself. As far as forced confessions by torture, we know that is the MO of the Iranian government. For that reason, every confession in Iran is suspect in my view. People will say anything to stop the pain. So the fact that a person may or may not have confessed in Iran is completely irrelevant. That is the reason confessions obtained by torture are not admissable in court in the US and torture itself is illegal. (Comment this)

16 - Lys,

A 17 year old is an adult - a Man or a Woman????

Maybe in his (or her) own eyes which is where the problem lies for children who make foolish mistakes as they stumble into adulthood buckling under peer pressure and trying to survive the horrific mind, soul and life altering issues that surround them - to make a clear judgement - to never get it wrong? Don't look now, but you would have to be wrong there... You are obviously not a parent.

Adults at 17? - Not by any law in any land Lys - and you're a police officer? You may not vote at 17 - you may not drink alcohol - you may not buy cigarettes and you are barely out of high school. You are barely beginning to make the right choices in life and all of your choices are met by the challenges of your environment.

No one denies any 'other possibilities' may be with these MINORS - except the Mullahs. It's 'guilty until proven innocent' with them and even then you would be lucky to get a fair go. Perhaps... just perhaps... these minors are innocent of the crimes they are accused of. They haven't had a fair trial - how would anyone know? Guilt by association isn't enough to hang someone. Making a stupid mistake -- "oh buggar it... we're human... oh no... we might stuff up! its entirely possible. *gasp."

I think you might be a bit of a stirrer actually ... However, in case you are serious...
No one is trying to slander you... but you have come over a little insulting - so you might just have to wear that one.

Hmmm.

Read, son. Educate yourself. Then perhaps the questions you have will be answered before you throw yourself in front of a group of people who believe in the United Nations of the World... not one police-person's opinion who may be a little jaded from all THEY have seen too.
You may even see that this hanging was one of many unlawful acts that have been forced upon the people of Iran by the Mullahs in power - not necessarily because a law has been broken - but simply for power plays - which is common knowledge if you research it. Very hard to separate it at this stage.

If the files on the accused were left open to be viewed by the public (which they generally are not), it has already been established that we (the people) may find even more holes throughout these so called 'cases' that would show at least some of these kids (minors) have been jailed for no good reason and sometimes - purely on fabrication . We have established this throughout the information that you will find on the main site www.stopchildexecutions.com (if you care to read)- check out some of the stories on 'The Row'.

Maybe they are guilty, maybe they are innocent. What they are for sure, is jailed as minors ON DEATH ROW, and held until they are adults (by United Nations standards - and dare I say, MINE) and then hung instead of rehabilitating them (and what if you are killing an innocent? what if? and this is a person who 'would be King'? what if? who are you to say? We won't know until they are given the fair time to find out... or what..?... )

Apart from all of that, as stated, this campaign believes in the solid work done by United Nations & Amnesty International and just in case you missed it, here is the quote from the front page of the main Stop Child Executions website to remind you:

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According to the United Nations, a child is a person under the age of 18. Despite the fact that the government of Iran has signed International Covenants that forbid them to execute anyone who has allegedly committed an offence before the age of 18, they continue to do so. Amnesty International has documented 21 executions of child offenders in Iran since 1990. In many cases, these minors have been imprisoned until the age of 18 and then executed. Currently, there are at least 32 minors on death row in Iran.

Stop Child Executions Campaign is created to raise awareness about this issue, and more importantly to put an end to one of the most heinous manifestations of the death penalty -- its use against children. It is only through pressure on the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, both internally in Iran and internationally that we can make a difference. Over the years we have witnessed child offenders being saved and even released from prison through international pressure as seen in the cases of Nazanin Fatehi and Afsaneh Norouzi.

In order not to have to save one life at a time, please sign the petition and join our campaign to STOP CHILD EXECUTIONS once and for all.

This website and our campaign are a work in progress. The more information we receive from the general public, individual lawyers working on these cases and from international organizations, the more we are able to update the website and to provide a stronger action plan. We also encourage and appreciate cooperation from the United Nations, Amnesty International, Government Officials, International Organizations and media in this humanitarian mission.

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The overwhelming international consensus that the death penalty should not apply to juvenile offenders stems from the recognition that young persons, because of their immaturity, may not fully comprehend the consequences of their actions and should therefore benefit from less severe sanctions than adults. More importantly, it reflects the firm belief that young persons are more susceptible to change, and thus have a greater potential for rehabilitation than adults.

--- Mary Robinson, former United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights
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You are entitled to your opinion Lys.
Personally I find it a little shallow and undignified, but so it goes with a situation such as this one. Nothing dignified here.
Its not a group of people seeking signatures to put an end to such a horrible state of affairs that you should be poking at. It should be at those who are killing against all good conscience. That's where the evil lies. We may not be perfect, but they are purely unlawful, unjust & wrong for what they do.

Namaste.
Have mercy on us all.

Peace.
Donna. (Comment this)

17 - Thank you Donna for stating the facts so eloquently and I hope that LYS returns to this site and reads your comment so that he may understand the situation a bit better.

I also would like to apologize for having attacked LYS. I have a lot of respect for any police officer who risks his life on a daily basis for the safety of others. But this issue I take very personally, as I've had a cousin who was killed by the mullah regime at the age of 15, not because he had committed any crime whatsoever. He was simply dragged out of school one day, and shipped to the Iran/Iraq border, handed a rifle and told to shoot at the invading Iraqi Army. Here's a boy, barely 15 years old with no military training, never held a gun in his hand, he died that same day. I grew up on an Air Force base in Iran and witnessed, as a seven year old boy, the revolutionary savages taking my friends' fathers, all high-ranking officers of the Imperial Iranian Air Force and shot (with no court, judge, or jury) justified in the name of Allah and for the crime of being loyal to the defected Shah.

I apologize again, to everyone on the SCE team and LYS and whomever I might have offended by the slandering tone of my comment, but the only evil I see, is the mullah regime of Iran and I take that very personally.

-Mahan (Comment this)

18 - Dear Lys,

First and foremost, your work as a police officer is greatly apprecaited as you are on the frontline to maintain our safety by enforcing LAW and order.

The International LAW states that anyone under the age of 18 is a minor and should not be executed. I am sure as an officer of the law , you therefore apprecaite Stop Child Execution Campaign's position that regime in Iran must abide by that ruling.

I am sure that you also agree that we can not each make our own laws or boundaries nor should consider ourselves above law.

Iran's Islamic Sharia law states that girl is adult at 9 and a boy at 13.

United NATIONS state 18 is adult.

and you think 17 year old is adult.

So where do we draw the line? Do we each chose our own definition of adulthood age or as citizens of one planet we all abide by same internationaly accepted human rights standards, convenants and Laws?

Regards (Comment this)

19 - ok, i will read donna's comment eventually however it is too long to go through right now. i would like to apologize to anyone that may have not liked the tones of my posts as well.

there seems to exsist here a culture-clash between western and eastern. it seems that it will be difficult to perusade you to understand that in my opinion a person under 18, that tries to board a bus with a bomb-belt on in order to attempt to kill dozens of innocent men, woman, and children should not be afforded the luxury of a "free-pass" simply because of his or her age.

anyway, i 100% agree with most everyone else here. i know Iran is an evil and curropt nation and would not hesitate to do any and everything in my power to spread the word of the evil Achmidenijad, may his name be erased, and his regime. however, at this point i feel i am beating a dead horse. this poor 17 year old MORE THAN LIKELY did not deserve to die. i do agree with that. especially since he was probably just bad mouthing the current government. i was never doubting the veracity of the claims being made, just the way they were presented.

Have a good weekend everyone, (Comment this)

20 - Mahan Jalali, your emotional attachment to this issue is completely understandable. I doubt that anyone was truly offended and I am sure Lys will understand when he sees your post. (Comment this)